Check the lastest (July, vol. 38) issue of Gray’s Sporting Journal. 10E friend Anna Dibble has an article entitled Frogging about frogging around a certain Vermont pond in the 1970's with her father and pal Shepherd Ogden. (Sidenote, Shep was the founder of The Cook's Garden, a mail order seed company that was an early leader in the marketing of certified organic garden seed - was assimilated with Burpee after his departure...)